CO2 theory closely analyzed– at Australian website, 2013

5-19-2013

Claim by global warming alarmists:   1) – Man-made CO2 is heating the atmosphere.
2) – This heating effect remains undetected because the extra atmospheric heat “ends up” in the oceans.

For this claim to be true, then there must be a NET transfer of heat energy FROM the atmosphere TO the oceans. Otherwise the atmosphere wouldn’t be “heating” the oceans.

However, the OBSERVED and MEASURED NET heat energy flow is FROM the oceans TO the atmosphere, as evidenced by evaporation and the subsequent formation of clouds, and eventually, precipitation.

Now, either the claim is true, or the observation is true.  I’ll leave it up to the readers to decide. The one thing that can be said with certainty is that they can’t both be true at the same time, as that would indeed violate the Laws of Thermodynamics.    -T. Nunnov  http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statistically-significant/

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5-20-2013

Between two systems not at thermodynamic equilibrium, NET energy transfer can only be in one direction – from the system of higher energy to the system of lower energy, in this case, FROM the oceans, TO the atmosphere.

That being the case, it matters not one whit whether the claim is that the “missing” energy (from the atmosphere) is “heating” the ocean surface, or the ocean deeps.

BOTH claims are equally preposterous and BOTH require a violation of the Second Law.             -Themm Nunnov

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KinkyKeith

Well said Themm.

When the core temperature of the Earth is in the order of 5,500 C and the space surrounding Earth is at a temperature 2.6 C deg above zero abs there is a Thermodynamic Imperative.

The Temperature Gradient.

Heat always flows down the temperature gradient.

From core to surface the temp gradient is about 0.75 C deg per kilometre and from the surface to space about 15 C deg per kilometre.

Just broad figures but it shows that the atmosphere loses heat better than the core which has the solid crust to insulate it.

Our biggest problem has always been that we might freeze.

Just how this joke about CO2 Incineration [of the planet] got any legs is a great mystery. http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statistically-significant/

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Let’s pretend for a minute that CO2 is the culprit.

We’re told ad imfinitum that CO2, even though heavier than air, rises and stays up there, causing heating which also rises.

Yet, almost with the same breath, CO2 now sinks into the deep oceans. If that CO2 sinks through a mass like water, then why does it magically float in the air, in fact, rising. If it does sink through the mass of water, then that CO2 in the air should just drop like a stone to the surface of the Planet.  http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statistically-significant/

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Dennis

Sukiyaki with no need for a flame beneath a cooking pot, climate change warmimg from above

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Myrrh

At the same temperature some gases are heavier or lighter than air, methane and water vapour is lighter so will rise and carbon dioxide is heavier so will sink.

This is basic knowledge of the properties and processes of the natural world around us, meteorology was built on this knowledge.

This is how we get clouds, because water vapour lighter than air rises, its called evaporation, when heated that is speeded up.

AGW’s Greenhouse Effect doesn’t have the Water Cycle, it doesn’t have rain in its Carbon Cycle. Water has a residence time of 8-10 days in the atmosphere, so whenever it rains carbon dioxide is being washed out of the atmosphere, because, water (vapour,liquid,solid) in the atmosphere attracts all carbon dioxide in the vicinity – together forming carbonic acid which gives all natural unpolluted rain its pH of around 5.6-8.i

Carbon dioxide can’t accumulate for hundreds and thousands of years in the atmosphere – not in the real world.           http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statistically-significant/

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It’s OK to use fossil fuels and emit CO2. Our climate is pleasant and productive, and getting better. This is normal because earth is in an interglacial period. Increased carbon dioxide emissions are the result of warming, not the cause.

Only 3% of all carbon dioxide emissions arise from human activities. 97% are from natural sources. The ultimate reservoir of CO2 is limestone (CaCO3) and other carbonate rocks. CO2 is sequestered as carbonates for tens of millions of years. Attempts to limit human fossil fuels use will ruin America’s energy infrastructure, and not affect warming.

The cost of controlling CO2 is not worth any conceivable benefit. The International Energy Agency estimated the cost of worldwide “decarbonization” at $44 trillion. The entire cumulative savings of mankind is estimated at $150 trillion. The United States, the EU and the UN are proposing to spend nearly 30% of mankind’s wealth on a foolish boondoggle, with no clear benefits.

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    Its so bizarre, I can’t get over it sometimes.

    All of you ocean alarmists know full well that melting polar ice caps have caused oceans to rise an average 2 feet per century for the past 20,000 years. You know there were periods in the past when it rose 2 meters in only 1 century, and others where oceans fell 3 meters in 1000 years.

    Yet you still maintain that humanity is responsible for melting ice caps and ocean rise. Its completely bizarre.

https://news.vice.com/article/antarcticas-melting-ice-sheets-might-bring-more-sea-level-rise-to-the-us-than-anywhere-else

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(a couple of other recent crucial topics follow:)

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“I think Justice Scalia points that out, that it was a very contorted view of the 14th Amendment,” he said. “There are well-established traditions, and gay marriage is not one of them. So if that tradition is to be changed, then there is an established process for that, and the Supreme Court is not one of them. You go through the amendment process and the Constitution. The same could be said for women’s suffrage, and we didn’t go to the court and have some oligarchs decide that; we amended the Constitution.”
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/top-sheriff-america-now-ruled-by-oligarchy/#pG6d0QRBoZWYXoDk.99

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2-14-2015  “Obama is now talking about allowing all those people to whom he’s given unconstitutional amnesty the ability to bring in extended family members,” he said. “They’ll call it immediate family, but the five million could turn into 20 million or 25 million once you start bringing in all the other family members. This is part of his fundamentally transforming America.”    -Rep. Gohmert (R-TX), staunchly opposed to the December strategy on immigration.            http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/obamas-5-million-illegals-could-turn-into-25-million/#ASs1JcPbMdQjr44R.99

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President Obama’s temporary amnesty, which lasts three years, declares up to 5 million illegal immigrants to be lawfully in the country and eligible for work permits, but it still deems them ineligible for public benefits such as buying insurance on Obamacare’s health exchanges.

Under the Affordable Care Act, that means businesses who hire them won’t have to pay a penalty for not providing them health coverage — making them $3,000 more attractive than a similar native-born worker, whom the business by law would have to cover.      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/25/obama-amnesty-obamacare-clash-businesses-have-3000/#ixzz3erSvwTbA
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President Obama’s open-door policy of uncontrolled immigration. He’s eager to make immigrants of everyone, without bothering with the technical details of the law. But it’s undeniable that he has let in large numbers of undesirables — Mexico certainly doesn’t desire them — including robbers, rapists and killers. A child molester and five murder suspects, all from Mexico, are the most wanted by the Los Angeles Police Department.

Why should anyone be surprised that truth-telling is suddenly popular in Republican ranks. The voting stiffs get so little of it.   http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/2/wesley-prudent-donald-trump-ted-cruz-surge-as-trut/#ixzz3erUVK02l
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Fabrice Leggeri, the executive director of European border agency Frontex, has warned that Libya alone has up to a million potential migrants ready to leave for the EU. …

UK Home Affairs Committee chairman Keith Vaz said: ‘The crisis in Calais is a direct result of the soft EU external border in the Southern Mediterranean and the Greek-Turkish border.”    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006989/Calais-crisis-Illegal-immigrants-reach-port-NO-border-checks-start-targeting-cars-caravans-Britain.html#ixzz3eratiUzn

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